Teen Gothic

So before I start of with my rant I want to say that I know a lot of people don’t think this way and I also know that there’s a lot of goth men with complicated makeup and a lot of goth women with simple makeup *but*

I’ve experienced that when it comes to makeup especially online goths tend to expect female goths to put on huge eyeliner, white foundation and for guys black or dark brown around the eyes. While I appreciate both of these, I (f) prefer just dark Make-up around my eyes. For some reason people think that that’s “not a goth look” or that I “look like a normie” even though I practically have the same makeup as a lot of men in the subculture.

Tf is a goth look even supposed to be?

My point: I feel like when it comes to fashion some people tend to expect goth women and girls to put in a lot of effort to look goth and if they don’t, they are poseurs. However men can wear what they want?

Does anyone else experience this? Do you think it comes from the objectification of female goths? Or is it rooted just in sexism?

(Keep in mind my point isn’t to shame anyone with huge makeup looks! I love them!)

Edit: I also feel like this is quite a new problem, in the 80s you see a lot of women with ‘boring’ or ‘smaller’ makeup looks in the scene.

https://youtu.be/pBHUhPM9OAw

To put it in to view first I always have my hair teased so I assume that is why there was attention brought to it. I was in a thrift store with a friend and just as we were exiting she realized she forgot something so she went back to get it, I ended up waiting just by the shopping carts so I can keep an eye out for her. I started to pull my phone out to check the time when this lady, (possibly in her 30s-40s) comes out of no where and starts to touch my hair, before I could say anything she made a statement about how she thought it would be fluffy and she walked off, I think I stood there for maybe 5 minutes just stunned, I have had my fair share of having people touch my hair or clothes without asking but that was just weird, so now I'm curious, has any other goths experienced this?

I got this clip from a friends Instagram when she went to one of their live performances around 4/21/23. Nox Novacula is a death rock band from Seattle. I know this isn’t a lot to go off of and don’t blame you if you can’t find it cus i’m having even less luck

I saw that on top of this subreddit there was a part dedicated to goth worldwide, but there was nothing for Italy, so I would like to suggest some bands to add there (mods could look at those bands and then decide if they should be added). Christine Plays Viola; Sorry; Heels; The Spiritual Bat; Japan Suicide; Go Flamingo!; Avant-garde; Dystopian Society; Secret Sight; Beyond Soul; Estetica Noir; Tetrolugosi; Sindrome Del Dolore; A Silent Noise; Nero Moderno; Branches. I don't know if they are a perfect fit but I tried

I really like this style of goth music but i dont know what subgenre it is. I want to listen to more like it. Can y'all please help?

Was scrolling through YouTube and came across this band from the French goth scene in the eighties. They were called "Neva", with their songs falling into the death rock and electronic sound. Does anyone know anything about this bands members/history? Or their relation the the eighties scene? Below is the clip I found: https://youtu.be/Ug-4jRqt8jA